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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh hi it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with paranormal experts in this world

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and others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker the only

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welcome everybody to another exciting

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episode of Supernatural girls radio I am

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your host

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Patricia Baker I am here with my co-host

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PK all the way from Tucson how you doing

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PK hot melted but okay we just can't see

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me get a break where it comes to the

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heat right now but that's all that's

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right but come to New England we were

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freezing yesterday I am so jealous

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jealous jealous of your heat just can't

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get anything in balance if I could take

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a little bit of euro a little bit of

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ours everything gonna be perfect

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I know and at least we're not in Texas

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those poor people right your god isn't

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it the truth they're getting our prayers

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that blessings any prayers everything

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it's just horrible there but we're

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hoping they'll be back in trial on track

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very soon and all of this water will

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recede it's a mess down there

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god bless them all but we it's for sure

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the best for all of them we've got a

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great show tonight though yes we do we

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have a an amazing guest don't we I think

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so yeah I think he is and he's written a

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terrific book that we both read Black

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Swan ghosts we're gonna bring him on

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injustice like this that's right talk

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about one of the most important issues

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in the paranormal world today which is

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why we are so much under the gun why

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these people in the paranormal including

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us are often treated so badly we're

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going to go through all of this what's

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happening dr. Haines is a sociologist

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and he is renowned with this subject

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he's also interviewed very his own group

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of people that have had many experiences

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and they're highly credible we're gonna

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get into it tonight with dr. Haines so

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stay tuned for that everybody but first

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numbers what's going on

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well I'm excuse me I'm not gonna even

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about the last couple days of September

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I'm going to look at what's coming up in

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September because September our birth

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month I should say our personal bug in

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the universal are identical as it's been

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and it's all about major change so we're

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all working with what the universe is

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talking about which is me my and I it's

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all about how we react to the number one

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everything is about starting over new

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things new issues putting things but

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it's about fresh different allowing the

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best of the best to take place around us

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and regardless of what our personally

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month is we're all going to still work

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off of what the universe says I need to

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lead I will be an example I'll let these

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all begin I'm going to have this article

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on my webpage on the Patricia Kirkman

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comm so they can read the whole article

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but basically take a look at regardless

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of what your personal year is this month

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will be identical to that entire year

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the big zinger is going to come on the

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9th the 18th and the 27th because the

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year the month and the day will all be

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identical Shake Rattle whammy yeah for a

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lot of us and the one says we're sick

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and tired of doing it in group we want

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to do it our way

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that gives us opportunity for a lot of

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special things to take place it sure

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does we will allow it okay being special

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I think the most important part is get

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out with the information that you hold

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within you use it as a tool instead of

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I'll get to it later there is no later

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in two days we are going to be in the

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one Universal but don't forget we're

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still in retrograde until the 5th of

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September yes yeah you have that shadow

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period that doesn't until about the 15th

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oh my god final shadow can kick our butt

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even more than the actual retrograde

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well let's let's hope not because I'm

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tired of it I'm tired

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Curie retrograde already so I needed to

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come to an end it has been a very rough

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road for everyone because the actual

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month we're in right now is a review of

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last year's stuff on top of the

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retrograde now we're citing into this

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year stuff so we're kind of getting like

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it's kind of being caught between two

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doors that we're gonna get smacked in

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the middle yes exactly exactly well

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alright so everybody knows what they got

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to do now thank you for your sage advice

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again go to Patricia Kirkman comm if

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you'd like to read the full article

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about that and if you'd like a private

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reading with MS Kirkman that's where you

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can go Patricia Kirkman dot-com and get

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started in your Universal year the right

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way so paranormal news found a very

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interesting article which actually

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you've heard about this before okay

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right the immortal cells of Henrietta

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Lacks wild story

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now all these stories are on our

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Facebook page right so you can go there

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and read them and see the pictures etc

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as well as our last interview last week

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with Betty Andreas and Luca and Bob Luca

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abductees and the focus of the very

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famous Andreia sand affair they've got a

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new book out called lifting the veil and

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we were the first to interview them on

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our show they were great guests it was a

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great interview it's on our Facebook

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page in case you missed it be sure to

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visit that I'm gonna be talking about

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Betty and Bob again tonight because they

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fit perfectly in to this whole segment

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but first the mysterious immortal cells

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of this woman Henrietta Lacks now

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apparently the story talks about how

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scientists could never get cells to live

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outside the human body and somebody

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for some reason for some strange reason

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this woman's cells lived and they

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continued to live today even though she

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passed away many many years ago science

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is amazing herself you know and and what

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you were fine found out about it also PK

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was that they never well first of all it

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ask her permission they of course and

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second of all they didn't reimburse the

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family even though they've been using

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these cells for many many years for

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scientific experimentation so the family

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itself was very was a very poor humble

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beginnings and they could have used it

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to help with our own health issues any

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pittance that they would have been given

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and they weren't even made privy to the

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fact that these cells were available and

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being used to reproduce numerous other

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things which i think is kind of shoddy

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of our government but yes a I know these

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scientists what they think that they're

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entitled to right I guess you know this

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continues today it's a fascinating story

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read all the details on our Facebook

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the haunted Canadian Embassy great story

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yeah scared to death so sorry feeling

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subject and we are so happy to have this

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guest with us tonight dr. Simeon Haines

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because this has to be addressed this is

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something that has not been addressed

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except I think by Phillips later and

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we're gonna find out when dr. Haines

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comes on if there was anybody else but

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sociologists at least seem to be on top

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of this where other people have not been

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so anyways we've got to find out what's

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going on in our society today that makes

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these things happen that makes us put

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down UFO abductors make fun of them not

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take these subjects seriously why so no

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further chatting from me let's bring dr.

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Haines on the show so Simeon welcome to

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the show well hey guys how you doing

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it's a time by the way doctor hi Samia

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sorry you know I got I got both

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you guys covered because Patricia you're

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in Massachusetts right that's right now

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you I used to go to Hampshire College in

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Amherst and I went to the University of

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Arizona and good ol T son oh really so I

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and I ended up in Boulder because I

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thought Tucson was a little too hot so

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this is why I'm in between Massachusetts

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and Arizona how about that you found the

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perfect spot networkable

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I had a good time in Tucson I just did

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is a little too warm you know so anyway

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I understand about you're talking about

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yeah middle of the road instead middle

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of the road here I like to be moderate

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so yes well I wanted to start off if I

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could by reading this quote from Philip

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Slater and his book the weight gain now

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this is the first book I have ever found

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to address this and maybe you can

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enlighten us that there's any more along

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with your great book but Philip Slater

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was a fabulous sociologist unfortunately

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passed away a few years ago and he was

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famous for his book the pursuit of

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loneliness but his book the waiver gate

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is fascinating it is science in the

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supernatural and here's a quote from him

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the purpose of this book is to persuade

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the ego in its own language to enlarge

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its repertory of experience to rule more

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democratically more wisely more openly

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more richly I want to convince the

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despot that it's ill informed that its

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own desperate need to control has

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strangled its information channels that

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the result of this anxious vigilance is

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the impoverishment of its own experience

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and of the whole kingdom and that its

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understanding of the universe is wildly

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erroneous that's Philip Slater

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so yes good quote tallis talis Simeon

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what brought you to the door of the

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supernatural yeah I think it would be

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that quote from Philips later I I'm not

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familiar with that book but I think he

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reflects it very well I I came across to

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these subjects from remote

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and I came into remote viewing almost

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straight out of graduate school and then

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I was an assistant professor teaching

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statistics so I was moving farther and

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farther away from these areas right

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because you don't hear about this stuff

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in universities I don't think I ever

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heard the word UFO paranormal anything

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like that mentioned in decades of tsul

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anywhere not at the University of

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Arizona not at Hampshire College not a

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state nobody this is not company this is

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one of those you know as I call one of

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the social danger zones that you are

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afraid for your career it's like a type

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of blackmail and we live under any type

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of blackmail that if you get involved in

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these subjects it's going to hurt your

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career your neighbors are gonna think

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you're weird whatever so people don't

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study this now I mean that's what

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sociologists are supposed to do is take

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these difficult subjects and see if they

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can make sense of them in some way I

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mean how are we

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you know sociologists look at how do we

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attach meaning to our lives our actions

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our sense of identity right it varies

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from culture to culture society society

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and this is one area where we don't want

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to talk about it and I found that early

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on when I studied remote viewing with

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dr. Courtney Brown at Emory University

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back in 1996 I came I heard him on a

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radio interview here in Boulder and he

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was talking about this thing called

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remote viewing and I have to tell both

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of you I just part of my mind couldn't

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believe it I mean the idea that we have

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this innate telepathic ability I thought

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you had to be special or something but

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there was a part of my mind that was

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curious at the same time and I said to

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myself well I said to my ego-mind

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well if we if you consider yourself to

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be an open-minded person you should

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investigate this I mean maybe it turns

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out to be a hoax maybe it doesn't but

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it's worthy to look at I mean no one had

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ever talked about remote viewing let

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alone some sort of classified government

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program in psychic spies right in the

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Defense Intelligence Agency of all

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places yeah so I went and took his class

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in I believe it was May of 1996 and

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that's when all of this began because it

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turned out remote viewing work

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I don't know if I wanted it to work but

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it did

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there was just no doubt about it it

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wasn't like maybe this works sort of

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this works I after a couple days I did a

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few sessions and four people don't know

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I mean you have a hidden target that you

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are supposed to describe in a you know a

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given period of time half an hour an

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hour and you don't see it ahead of time

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so you're given no information about

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this target picture or location whatever

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it is it could even be written on a

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piece of paper it's hidden in a folder

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it's behind your back you can't see it

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and the monitors tells you describe the

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target that's it that's all you get

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they may say at some point tell us about

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colors you know they they prompt you lit

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but there's no information from them

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about what the target is and I saw

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within a few days that it was too

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accurate it'd be by chance

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that was my just personal subjective

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assessment of remote viewing is I came

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in as a mild skeptic open to the idea as

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possible but I didn't think I'd be able

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to do it and then it turned out to work

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and then I wrote opening minds about it

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so many years later but that's how it

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all started it it started with my

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realization that if remote viewing was

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real and this is quite a shock to your

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ego mind to realize that you have innate

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telepathic ability no one ever prepared

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you for this it's not nobody told you

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about this anywhere in school it was

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just considered to be part of the

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paranormal so you didn't touch it right

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and it turned out to be real I'm not the

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only one who thought it was real the CIA

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concluded it was real the DIA concluded

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as really wouldn't have funded it for 20

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years if they weren't getting results

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and some of the exactly people got

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results

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Joe mcmoneagle got a Legion of Merit

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Award from the military for his remote

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viewing it says that on the plaque for

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200 remote viewing sessions that he did

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that we don't know about because they're

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still classified for the most part but

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that's what it says on the plaque now

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they don't give a legion that they have

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any of those awards they give out a year

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a couple

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I mean it's rare it's the highest

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military peacetime honor in here the

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number one remote viewer in the military

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program got it for remote viewing it

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says that on the plaque so

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people it worked and now it doesn't work

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every time but sometimes it works in a

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way that's almost impossible to describe

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the accuracy I mean it's like the viewer

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is at the site they're walking around in

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some cases they were able to read go

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into you know super secret classified

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file cabinets and look into the contents

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from a 3,000 miles away it really scared

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the heck out of the US government that

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it could work that well and they

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disfigured well if the Russians have it

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we have to have it so it kind of came

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out of the Cold War I mean it's bizarre

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huh I mean yeah this dual consciousness

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about it too it's like on the one hand

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you have the government dissing the

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whole thing and on the other hand as you

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just mentioned we have people like Joel

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mcmoneagle getting these amazing awards

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for all of his service and being

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accurate in his ability to Remote View

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we're close friends with Joe by the way

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oh great well Joe yes john-boy well

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there you go I mean what other proof do

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you need he the guy is is like a living

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human wonder I mean I don't know I've

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met him a couple times and we don't know

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how he does this but he's not right

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every single time but half his sessions

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are really super accurate he could

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locate missing people for the Japanese

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police that even the Japanese he did it

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from his home in Virginia even the

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Japanese police couldn't locate them and

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he told us he told us at one of the

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remote viewing conferences the App Fest

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run by Marty Rosenblatt it's held in

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Henderson Nevada Joe was there he's been

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there a couple times it he he showed us

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how he does it I mean doesn't help you

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and me to do it exactly but he said i

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zoom in from the Bob I I see a coastline

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and I get closer and I see a town and

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then I start seeing buildings and I

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start seeing shapes and maybe you can

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identify what the town is then you

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locate the street corner of the

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apartment and then the apartment floor

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and then the apartment number that's how

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he's simple and so we were like an open

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society we'd be wondering how he does

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this but instead like many other topics

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we just decide no we're not gonna go

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there it's just too strange I mean we

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know it works but we don't know why so

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let's not

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talk about it let's just shut it out of

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our sight it's crazy well we don't know

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how anesthesia works either but we use

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it all the time so there's something

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again as you mentioned about the

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paranormal that strikes fear into

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people's ego consciousness and it's a

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shame because we're missing out on the

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greatness of who we are as human beings

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and and Joe is certainly one of those

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great human beings oh yeah I think fear

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of the unknown

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that we're going to fail at trying to

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see it makes people back off of even

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trying it there is a lot of fear around

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these topics you know underneath the

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presentation we give to society of who

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we are we're afraid of being rejected by

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our fellow mammals it's just obvious

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okay now to study these subjects you

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have to get to the point where you don't

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care anymore what people think about you

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and you realize other people in history

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had to do that too right we're not the

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first people had to be brave and Galileo

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you had to stand up for their data there

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are little moons going around Jupiter

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and then Venus is kind of changing light

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that must mean that we revolve around

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the Sun instead of the other way around

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that was a big thing back in 1600s right

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so you know there's people who've been

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very brave in the past people who've

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been burnt at the stake for this people

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who've died for this so you realized

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you've got a kind of easy compared to

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them right the worst that could happen

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to you as people will think you're weird

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you can't be hung anymore for this no

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one's going to put you in jail you're

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not going to be killed for this you know

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you're not going to go to the Salem

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witch trials not far from where you are

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Patricia and where they were and so

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we've got a good guys we've got these

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tools that we've got Skype we've got

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internet we can communicate with each

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other and we know that reality doesn't

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work the way we were taught in school

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it's not that the way we're taught in

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otherwise that there's something else

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going on and it intrudes into the lives

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of ordinary people from time to time and

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it's real the data are there science is

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based on data and theory we've got data

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and we've got very good theories so I

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don't know what the problem is and why

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people are afraid to engage these

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subjects it's so much easier to say it's

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not real i i've been subscribed to

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science magazine ever since my

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dissertation advisor at WSU in Pullman

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Washington said Simeon you know every

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science magazine that comes out every

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week there's like one or two things that

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are interesting to what you do you know

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technology science ecology you should

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get a subscription I've had a

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subscription since 1990 and I've read

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every single issue almost since then a

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long time it's 27 years I have never

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seen any of these topics there's a

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branch of the triple-a s devoted towards

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parapsychology I guess it's called as it

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used to be no parapsychology I they

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never have any articles in there because

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they want I've talked to the people in

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that subsection it's a real subsection

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but they can't get their articles

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Russell Targ and helped it up had an

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article in there before I was a

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subscriber in like I think early 80s to

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describe what they were doing at SR I

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with Ingo Swann and Joe McMahon Nicole

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and Pat price and the other psychics

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hella ham unit all the great results

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they were getting and they tried to

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describe what was going on that was

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published I think that might have been

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the last one related to you know ESP

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whatever you would like to call it

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remote viewing it I don't think there's

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been an article since I've never seen

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one and in all the years I'd like

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someone to prove me wrong so we're not

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talking about it and I you know what

519
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this is gonna lead to is the dam is

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going to break at some point because

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you're you're censoring information and

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it you know when you censor anything

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though water builds up behind the dam

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younger people are more open-minded

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eventually they'll be curious about this

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topic again you know and because there's

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lack of a response from science it could

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threaten science as we know it because

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they refuse to talk about it I'm sorry

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good and I think it does because I think

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they're starting to fall into the same

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kind of classification as the lamestream

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media and our government they're just

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not to be believed

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because they won't take all of these

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things into consideration you know you

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have people from NASA saying that oh we

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may find extraterrestrial life at some

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point you know out there it's like

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we all know it's there we all know it's

541
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:19,190
here and if you listen to people like

542
00:23:24,639 --> 00:23:22,970
Robert Bigelow the billionaire who works

543
00:23:26,409 --> 00:23:24,649
at NASA and who was interviewed on 60

544
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,419
minutes and came out and said they're

545
00:23:30,009 --> 00:23:27,440
here already

546
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:30,019
yeah right under our noses I mean that

547
00:23:35,019 --> 00:23:32,690
was an incredible incredible piece of

548
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:35,029
information that came from him why would

549
00:23:39,129 --> 00:23:37,610
we listen to anybody else we we know

550
00:23:41,889 --> 00:23:39,139
these things are happening

551
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:41,899
we have abductees like Danny Andreas and

552
00:23:47,379 --> 00:23:44,870
Luka and Bob Luca very very honest

553
00:23:50,139 --> 00:23:47,389
credible people who come out and share

554
00:23:52,539 --> 00:23:50,149
this and there's no big upside for them

555
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:52,549
believe me they were followed by the

556
00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:54,529
government they had black helicopters

557
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:56,840
over their house following them wherever

558
00:24:00,159 --> 00:23:57,830
they went

559
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:00,169
FBI showing up at Bob's piece of work

560
00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:03,110
you know it's this type of harassment

561
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,500
has got to stop so even though we're not

562
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:08,720
being burned at the stake people like

563
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:11,330
that are being harassed every single day

564
00:24:16,389 --> 00:24:13,490
because of their experiences that is

565
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:16,399
simply unacceptable definite all rights

566
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:17,860
unacceptable you're right

567
00:24:24,009 --> 00:24:21,679
we shouldn't put up with it and we can

568
00:24:25,389 --> 00:24:24,019
do better than that I you know you

569
00:24:27,129 --> 00:24:25,399
should should look at it as an

570
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:27,139
opportunity to get to know your universe

571
00:24:32,139 --> 00:24:30,289
how about that nobody's good so here's

572
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:32,149
that it's easy to understand I don't

573
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:34,130
know where this fallacy showed up this

574
00:24:37,899 --> 00:24:36,049
is not Occam's razor Occam's razor

575
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,909
didn't say the universe is ultimately

576
00:24:41,470 --> 00:24:39,440
easy for our conscious mind to

577
00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:41,480
understand like the quote you read at

578
00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:44,269
the beginning Reinstein had a quote like

579
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:46,429
that you remember that he said the

580
00:24:53,289 --> 00:24:50,990
conscious mind is the subconscious mind

581
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,299
is like the faithful servant and the

582
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:55,279
unconscious like the faithful servant

583
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,330
and the conscious mind is kind of like

584
00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:01,039
the consciousness we the conscious mind

585
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:02,779
is a servant and the unconscious is like

586
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:04,730
the master but in our society it's been

587
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:07,370
reversed or the conscious mind I haven't

588
00:25:14,289 --> 00:25:09,529
seen the coma the conscious mind is like

589
00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,299
a bully to the unconscious yeah I'm

590
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:16,070
Stein had that quote in Alan Watts you

591
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:17,480
know the philosophers and philosopher

592
00:25:22,419 --> 00:25:19,130
from the 60s we would talk about this a

593
00:25:26,289 --> 00:25:22,429
lot too and this really proves it I mean

594
00:25:28,389 --> 00:25:26,299
no one ever said that you have to like

595
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:28,399
the way the universe is that it's going

596
00:25:31,639 --> 00:25:29,159
to totally

597
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:31,649
be comfortable for your ego mind to

598
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,279
understand it's just what it is and if

599
00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:36,720
it decides it wants to be

600
00:25:42,099 --> 00:25:38,429
multi-dimensional and intrude on your

601
00:25:46,219 --> 00:25:42,109
reality sometimes through ghosts Bigfoot

602
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:46,229
UFOs extraterrestrials whatever phone

603
00:25:50,089 --> 00:25:47,460
calls from people who are already

604
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:50,099
deceased mm-hmm if it decides it's going

605
00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:51,659
to do that it's going to do that now I

606
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,789
don't know why it does that nobody does

607
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:55,320
but that's the facts

608
00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:57,090
it's the in-crowd revert of all facts

609
00:26:02,479 --> 00:25:59,190
rather than spending all this time

610
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:02,489
debunking very credible people you know

611
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,470
why don't we put some energy into saying

612
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,919
okay if this is all real what is going

613
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,320
on we haven't quite got there yet we

614
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:12,720
just won't know we go there as we

615
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,460
perfect it's easier to ridicule people

616
00:26:19,489 --> 00:26:16,679
and read her ask them and make fun of

617
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:19,499
them but that's not gonna move the ball

618
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:22,049
down the field right I think it'd be

619
00:26:27,259 --> 00:26:24,090
more fun to move the ball down the field

620
00:26:29,089 --> 00:26:27,269
and just get over especially if they're

621
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,099
branches within our society that know

622
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:31,679
about this maybe within the government

623
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,690
within some sort of secret control group

624
00:26:37,099 --> 00:26:35,159
I don't know there's all these theories

625
00:26:39,589 --> 00:26:37,109
about who knows about this but why don't

626
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,599
like Bob Bigelow data on 60 minutes why

627
00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:41,039
he just come out like he did very

628
00:26:48,259 --> 00:26:43,940
bravely said of course UFOs are real and

629
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,269
his interviewer off top forgot her name

630
00:26:52,009 --> 00:26:50,700
for a second but the interviewer said

631
00:26:59,299 --> 00:26:52,019
don't you think people are gonna think

632
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,309
you're weird if you say that yeah I'm a

633
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,960
billionaire I do you think I care I'm a

634
00:27:05,299 --> 00:27:02,340
self-made billionaire do you think I

635
00:27:07,999 --> 00:27:05,309
care right it takes independent people

636
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:08,009
like that who have no bosses to be able

637
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:10,590
to tell speak their mind they may not

638
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:12,929
always be coherent like some presidents

639
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,330
we know but at least you want people

640
00:27:20,719 --> 00:27:17,580
that can speak their mind without

641
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:20,729
worrying about the blackmail from above

642
00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:22,950
and I've got I'd like to feel I've

643
00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:24,419
gotten to that might at that point in my

644
00:27:28,879 --> 00:27:26,309
life I hope other people did too I mean

645
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:28,889
who cares you it's I was brought up to

646
00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:31,320
tell the truth okay by my educational

647
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:33,629
system by Hampshire College right by my

648
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:35,220
liberal education in Massachusetts you

649
00:27:39,379 --> 00:27:37,289
tell the truth you don't always know

650
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,389
what it is but at least you could be

651
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,320
honest in your questions right that's

652
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,360
and that's how I was brought up and I am

653
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:46,980
shocked to find that it hasn't applied

654
00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:49,950
especially to the UFO issue and UFO

655
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:52,470
contactees we won't take them seriously

656
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:54,810
even the highest level people in

657
00:27:58,340 --> 00:27:57,030
government who are contactees do you

658
00:28:00,440 --> 00:27:58,350
know their people in our government that

659
00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:00,450
are afraid to that get abducted nobody

660
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:01,920
knows why some people get abducted in

661
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:03,990
some down I spoke to someone recently

662
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,390
who knew someone who was worked with the

663
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,720
federal government pretty high up and

664
00:28:13,550 --> 00:28:11,820
these these people who have this

665
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:13,560
experience they it doesn't matter how

666
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:15,450
high your security clearance is it could

667
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:17,160
still happen to you and nothing no one

668
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:24,080
and where they're taking you there's no

669
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,310
protection from this I think it's

670
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:28,080
healthier to talk about it then keep

671
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:33,270
denying it we're gonna take a short

672
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:35,970
break in the government who said the

673
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:37,770
same thing I just told you okay and

674
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:38,940
we're gonna talk about that some more

675
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:40,140
because we want to hear more about

676
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:41,640
people in the government being abducted

677
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:43,290
that's very interesting

678
00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:44,760
but we're gonna have to take a short

679
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:47,190
break and then we will come right back

680
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:49,460
and continue this great conversation

681
00:29:05,500 --> 00:28:52,110
with the author of this wonderful book

682
00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:07,520
welcome back everyone to the

683
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,350
supernatural girls radio again I'm your

684
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:13,320
host Patricia Baker I am here with my

685
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:16,740
co-host Patricia Kirkman PK and our lust

686
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:19,470
Ria's guests who needs to put his

687
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:26,370
headset back on dr. fine I'm gonna

688
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:28,230
pronounce it correctly now after I

689
00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:30,330
butchered it it's a one syllable name I

690
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,470
don't know how I got that wrong but

691
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:34,080
anyways dr. Simeon Hein is with us

692
00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:36,930
tonight with his great book black swan

693
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,990
ghost now we want him to talk a little

694
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:41,760
bit about the title because it's an

695
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:45,330
unusual title here he is okay you join

696
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:54,080
anything again I was just putting up a

697
00:30:00,890 --> 00:29:55,770
special

698
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:00,900
count link yeah I mentioned this in the

699
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,510
previous episode opening minds this was

700
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:05,760
my book about remote viewing and my

701
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:08,520
encounter with subtle energy sciences

702
00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:11,370
and I just wanted to say I put a special

703
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,920
discount link on my blog new crystal

704
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:16,380
mind for a signed copy I'll send it to

705
00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:17,910
anyone you know if you want to get a

706
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:20,280
discount inside for me that's just what

707
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:21,960
I was doing while we were in the break

708
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,840
and that's what I was doing while you

709
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,120
saw me typing okay go ahead sorry yes

710
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:36,480
your new book blacks that's a very

711
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:39,630
catchy name but it's also very unusual

712
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,570
how did you come up with that black

713
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:45,000
swuan ghosts it's one of my favorite

714
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:49,710
books listen I didn't totally come up

715
00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:53,010
with the idea completely out of the blue

716
00:30:59,300 --> 00:30:55,560
there if you've ever read the book The

717
00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:59,310
Black Swan by Nassim Taleb he's also

718
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:01,970
written books called anti fragile and

719
00:31:06,620 --> 00:31:05,550
what the Black Swan he also before they

720
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:06,630
wrote a book called fooled by randomness

721
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:09,330
and what I really like about talev is

722
00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:13,710
that he says we don't understand how

723
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:16,800
things work and the experts we have in

724
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:19,260
our society give the presentation the

725
00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:22,530
commentators you see on TV people who

726
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:24,270
consider themselves to be professional

727
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:26,610
you know opinion makers and so forth we

728
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:27,870
see them on you said the lamestream

729
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:30,930
media is that what you said yes we see

730
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:32,100
them on there all the time

731
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:34,110
they give you the impression that they

732
00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:35,880
understand what's going on they'll give

733
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:37,950
you advice and everything but they don't

734
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,870
have any skin in the game they don't if

735
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:42,120
it's wrong there's nothing there's no

736
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:46,020
cost to them so he came up with this

737
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:49,110
idea that we're omitting the discussion

738
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,510
of really rare events and how they could

739
00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:53,640
impact our society we like to talk about

740
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:55,830
what's easy to talk about but especially

741
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:59,400
in financial analysis we ignore really

742
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:01,710
rare events the one rare event like

743
00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:02,100
what's

744
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:04,590
sadly happening in Houston and Corpus

745
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:06,930
Christi over the past few days really

746
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:09,130
severe events that could

747
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:11,980
far out of the bell curve so far in the

748
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:15,130
tails that it totally shifts in the

749
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:16,900
discussion into we're not prepared for

750
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:20,050
it right and it's not rare events happen

751
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:22,660
more often than we expect that there

752
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:25,180
could be events out there that are so

753
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:27,190
unexpected because we haven't talked

754
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:30,840
about them right that they can write a

755
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:33,970
disproportionately severe impact on our

756
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:36,130
society precisely because we haven't

757
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:37,690
talked about them we haven't included

758
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:38,800
them in our models

759
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:42,460
it happened in 2008-2009 the financial

760
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:45,310
crisis remember the credit yes the

761
00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:47,380
bank's giving each other this kind of

762
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:49,390
insurance on mortgages but because each

763
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,460
bank insures the next if one goes under

764
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:52,960
they all go under right because they

765
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:54,490
have these interlocking financial

766
00:32:59,250 --> 00:32:56,560
relationships so the system is much more

767
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,260
fragile than it would seem the models

768
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:02,080
back then suggested that the events that

769
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:05,080
we saw in 2008 wouldn't happen like I

770
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:06,820
mean once every thousand years right

771
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:09,070
something like that maybe more and yet

772
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:11,710
it happened right there 2008 so how good

773
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:13,030
are their models they're not they're not

774
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,130
any good at all they're they ignore the

775
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:17,200
fact that things are correlated together

776
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:19,540
so when one domino falls the next stop

777
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:24,430
well anyway this idea seemed to fit UFOs

778
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:27,490
a lot to me but it's different than

779
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:29,590
something like a financial crisis where

780
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:31,150
we have the language to talk about it

781
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,980
right and the president can hold their

782
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:35,200
special meetings like Bush did and get a

783
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:37,870
group together over the weekend and bail

784
00:33:41,670 --> 00:33:39,190
out a bank or something we have the

785
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:41,680
means to deal with it it it's in our

786
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:43,960
vocabulary another example was here in

787
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:46,360
Boulder we had this huge flood in 2013

788
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:48,420
you probably saw it on the news even

789
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:51,790
Massachusetts or yes I was here I did it

790
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:53,650
just didn't stop raining for a week and

791
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:56,920
the system can't handle that because we

792
00:34:00,390 --> 00:33:58,810
have roads so that the water doesn't go

793
00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:00,400
anywhere just channels down into your

794
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:01,540
home and your cars because we

795
00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:04,150
brilliantly we invented concrete water

796
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:06,160
loves to travel on concrete salts and

797
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:07,930
everything's getting flooded right uh

798
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:10,030
you know we've seen a little ghost of

799
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:12,460
this in Texas in the past few days but I

800
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:14,080
mean I was here for that event and it

801
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:16,810
was amazing I mean just the rain didn't

802
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:18,250
stop but the system couldn't handle all

803
00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:20,169
that rain okay we can talk about that

804
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:22,120
it's something we could believe would be

805
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:22,840
real

806
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:25,480
but what about events that society

807
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:27,790
officially says aren't real but they're

808
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:30,460
happening I call those events Black Swan

809
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:34,780
ghosts okay it it's not that their

810
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:36,580
ghostly it's just that we only see the

811
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,290
shadow of it because maybe you read a

812
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:40,000
book about it maybe you read Timothy

813
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:41,800
Goodes book above top secret or

814
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:43,810
something like that but no I never

815
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:45,790
talked about it in college so you put it

816
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:47,230
in the back of your mind or something

817
00:34:51,570 --> 00:34:50,230
maybe it's real maybe it's not both of

818
00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:51,580
you and our illicit audience could

819
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:53,140
believe there could be floods right

820
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:54,730
we've seen it on our television in the

821
00:34:57,690 --> 00:34:55,630
past few days

822
00:35:01,620 --> 00:34:57,700
there could be super hurricanes I mean

823
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:01,630
we had one yes it's believable if you

824
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:03,100
talk to experts they say oh yeah maybe

825
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:04,600
that'll happen once every so-and-so

826
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:07,330
years here in Boulder with the flood it

827
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:09,130
was considered to be a one out of a 500

828
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:11,110
year event right only once in 500 years

829
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:13,390
maybe that's accurate maybe it isn't but

830
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:15,340
you can sort of talk about it but how do

831
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:17,620
we talk about UFO abductions how do we

832
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:20,550
talk when we have very credible people

833
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:24,130
presenting evidence that objects are

834
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:25,450
coming into our atmosphere and we have

835
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:29,470
no control over it do you think you the

836
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:31,150
Air Force wants to talk about something

837
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:35,470
over which they have no control that's

838
00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:37,690
what we're dealing with here nobody

839
00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:39,640
wants to talk about subjects that they

840
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:41,560
think are going to make them look weak

841
00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:44,380
or in unknot in control or make them

842
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:47,560
look bad so we have an entire system set

843
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:49,480
up that's basically covering its ass

844
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:51,970
from events that might make them look

845
00:35:56,730 --> 00:35:54,790
weak and the boys with the toys do not

846
00:35:59,310 --> 00:35:56,740
want to look weak you won't keep paying

847
00:36:01,020 --> 00:35:59,320
your taxes if they say you know they're

848
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,030
objects that come into our atmosphere

849
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:03,400
maybe ten twenty thirty at night and we

850
00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:04,510
can't do anything about it and sometimes

851
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:06,280
they pick people up and take them places

852
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:08,440
and it could be you but don't worry

853
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,510
about it we can't do anything about it

854
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:13,440
but just don't worry be happy' you know

855
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:16,420
that so what do you do with topics like

856
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:18,430
this it used to be true with child abuse

857
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:22,860
before it was considered any real yes

858
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:29,680
yes so we have in the sociologist Ron

859
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:31,900
westrom I mean he pointed this out at

860
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:34,540
several lectures at the Society for

861
00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:36,170
scientific exploration media

862
00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:37,460
here in Boulder it's been held in other

863
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:40,099
places it was at Yale this year the

864
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:44,270
scientific SSE meeting but he points out

865
00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:48,020
he called him hidden events so the UFO

866
00:36:53,799 --> 00:36:50,869
topic fits within the genre of hidden

867
00:36:56,829 --> 00:36:53,809
events things that are happening that

868
00:36:59,170 --> 00:36:56,839
are not yet officially real and he

869
00:37:03,490 --> 00:36:59,180
points out that child abuse was one of

870
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:03,500
those phenomena doctors did not believe

871
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:05,089
that parents could do that to their

872
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:07,730
children and they thought that children

873
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:09,470
if they said anything were making it up

874
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:11,000
there really they had fell out of trees

875
00:37:15,549 --> 00:37:13,849
maybe they were beaten by bullies on the

876
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:15,559
way to school some but the parents would

877
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:17,270
never do that to them and it wasn't

878
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:19,910
until the 1960s you know in the realm of

879
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:22,940
our lifetimes right not that long ago

880
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:25,150
that there was a meeting held between

881
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:29,119
radiologists and pediatricians and they

882
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:31,460
compared note and they said you know

883
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:32,420
something's really going on here

884
00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:34,460
something's breaking these kids bones

885
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:36,950
it's not falling out of trees and all of

886
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:39,950
a sudden child abuse was real it took a

887
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:46,730
meeting we didn't want to accept it like

888
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:48,170
you said we didn't want to believe it

889
00:37:52,299 --> 00:37:49,730
because I remember Joan Crawford's

890
00:37:54,579 --> 00:37:52,309
daughter when she went i filled on a his

891
00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:54,589
show and she had written the book Mommy

892
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:59,960
Dearest and she was vilified for what

893
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:02,839
she revealed about Joan Crawford and how

894
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:06,650
she was a very abusive mother I mean it

895
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:08,270
was people didn't want to hear that kind

896
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:11,569
of thing right now thank God we have

897
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,579
come to realize it yes this happens all

898
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:15,680
the time unfortunately it's horrible but

899
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:17,960
it does happen it's a very good example

900
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:20,569
we can't believe that celebrities that

901
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:23,900
we love on the screen the bill cosby's

902
00:38:29,319 --> 00:38:27,260
yeah I grew up with Bill Cosby watching

903
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:29,329
him I mean we can't believe in the back

904
00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:31,369
of our mind there are many others right

905
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:36,319
yes they could be sexually abusive over

906
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:38,540
and over again there's a part of your

907
00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:40,790
mind that says no that's my childhood

908
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:43,460
hero is a comedian he's funny you have

909
00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:44,839
to admit even personally the two of you

910
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,500
it's painful isn't it it's very painful

911
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:50,160
he was the quote doctor

912
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:52,470
he was the family man he was everything

913
00:38:56,809 --> 00:38:55,170
that we peanut butter and honey type

914
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:56,819
sing and then you found out that we made

915
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:58,410
up laughs that we want I'm the little

916
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,150
Cosby Show didn't over and over again

917
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,920
and if you're a child you grew up with

918
00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:03,660
him he was like one of your favorite he

919
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:04,769
was like mm-hmm

920
00:39:10,099 --> 00:39:08,730
this apparently harmless funny guy that

921
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,109
you would have no trouble inviting into

922
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:12,839
your home right no trouble at all right

923
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:14,490
and there's a part of your mind that

924
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:17,670
this does not want to accept that he was

925
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,880
a rapist basically right yes and that's

926
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:22,920
too hard so what do you do with it well

927
00:39:29,029 --> 00:39:26,970
you it's it's not easy to come to terms

928
00:39:31,579 --> 00:39:29,039
with that because he's had one image in

929
00:39:34,249 --> 00:39:31,589
your mind and then he the data come at

930
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:34,259
the it's revealed in court and so forth

931
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:36,569
that he's this other kind of Jekyll and

932
00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:39,630
Hyde person it's the same way with some

933
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:42,440
of these topics it's very painful to

934
00:39:47,749 --> 00:39:45,150
admit that your government hasn't been

935
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,759
telling you the truth that they knew

936
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:49,920
about this and they didn't want to talk

937
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:52,230
about it they created a psychological

938
00:39:58,519 --> 00:39:54,450
disinformation program to discredit you

939
00:40:00,769 --> 00:39:58,529
and or witnesses right yes and that's we

940
00:40:02,809 --> 00:40:00,779
don't like to believe that the people

941
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:02,819
that we've grown up around who we trust

942
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:05,490
authority figures could in fact have

943
00:40:08,809 --> 00:40:06,900
been deceiving us I think that's very

944
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:08,819
painful for a lot of people and for me

945
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:10,619
that was one motivation to write Black

946
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:12,750
Swan ghosts is is it's not just that the

947
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,190
government's covering it up you're

948
00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:16,440
covering up you're covering up because

949
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:17,759
when your neighbor comes to you and says

950
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:19,529
I saw something or when I was in the

951
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:21,630
military I saw this but I couldn't talk

952
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:23,690
about it I want to share it with you

953
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,079
people

954
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:27,680
then is's don't have anywhere to go

955
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,119
where they can talk about this because

956
00:40:34,759 --> 00:40:31,920
I've met so many of them no they're

957
00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:34,769
afraid of being ridiculed and I guess

958
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,390
someone like me is weird enough to

959
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:37,920
believe in remote viewing they just felt

960
00:40:42,319 --> 00:40:40,680
safe he's already kind of believed in

961
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,329
that so he'll he'll tell you no and I

962
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,400
could computer in these stories over and

963
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:46,740
over again some of the best ones I

964
00:40:52,249 --> 00:40:48,660
couldn't even put in the book really

965
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:52,259
because I yes there were four excellent

966
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:54,390
cases I couldn't put the people told me

967
00:40:59,359 --> 00:40:56,490
they were afraid of what could happen to

968
00:41:02,019 --> 00:40:59,369
them if I told their stories so some of

969
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:02,029
the most incredible encounters

970
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,510
government program

971
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:06,240
that seems to be going on right now I'm

972
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:07,890
having to do with reverse engineering of

973
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,490
the technology things like that date

974
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:13,320
just they would tell me one story would

975
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,580
be okay to put in but not other ones and

976
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:19,440
maybe that'll become black swuan goes to

977
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:20,280
some day

978
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:22,770
I would love to share some of my stories

979
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,890
yes yeah when someone tells you their

980
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:27,450
story whatever their personal story is

981
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:29,010
and they say look I'll tell you but

982
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:31,290
don't share it for any variety of

983
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:32,460
reasons someone could get in trouble

984
00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:34,200
people who work in that program are

985
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:36,380
still there things like that right or

986
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:38,790
here's the one I heard a lot I could

987
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,150
lose my government pension yes Wow just

988
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:44,160
my benefits I've heard this it's not

989
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:45,390
just me I mean I've been told by many

990
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:47,250
people who are military witnesses to

991
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:48,750
these phenomena the UFO phenomena were

992
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:50,370
talked about that they're afraid of I

993
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:51,750
don't think it's happened but there's

994
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:52,950
this fear they could lose their

995
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:53,970
government benefits

996
00:41:58,070 --> 00:41:56,670
maybe they signed something in the 60s

997
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,080
and they would never talk about what

998
00:42:01,850 --> 00:41:59,520
they had seen at the base or whatever

999
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,860
and so there are a lot of people are

1000
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:04,170
like that and then one of the witnesses

1001
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:08,640
in the book told me that her dad who was

1002
00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:11,010
a witness to Roswell wreckage who flew

1003
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:12,990
it on a plane to wright-patterson base

1004
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:14,850
as it's called now it used to be called

1005
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:20,370
Wright Field in 1947 he he was afraid of

1006
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,870
something happening to his four

1007
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:23,700
daughters he had four daughters and he

1008
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,980
didn't talk about what he saw until a

1009
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:27,930
week or two before he died he called

1010
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,470
each one she told me that she called

1011
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:33,960
each daughter into his hospital room one

1012
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:36,270
at a time to tell them that the

1013
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:37,500
officials started we heard about Roswell

1014
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:39,090
wasn't true because he had flown the

1015
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,250
wreckage to right field and it was

1016
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,320
guarded by an armed guard from the

1017
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:44,880
pilots from him can you imagine

1018
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:47,550
something these are nuclear nuclear

1019
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:49,890
qualified pilots these are pilots that

1020
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:51,870
are qualified to fly planes with

1021
00:42:57,350 --> 00:42:54,780
thermonuclear weapons on them and yet

1022
00:42:59,180 --> 00:42:57,360
this wreckage was so special and

1023
00:43:02,180 --> 00:42:59,190
important they guarded it from the

1024
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,190
pilots I mean the guard never left the

1025
00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:05,280
wreckage so this guy told we don't know

1026
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:07,080
who he was we haven't been able to find

1027
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:09,330
out it's it's done another pilot not

1028
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:10,830
Pappy Henderson other and some other

1029
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:12,390
pilot who flew wreckage there probably

1030
00:43:17,989 --> 00:43:16,859
were a number of flights who only

1031
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,999
told his daughters about this right

1032
00:43:21,739 --> 00:43:19,200
before he died I mean deathbed

1033
00:43:23,479 --> 00:43:21,749
confession so this is pretty serious

1034
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,489
stuff if people are that afraid that

1035
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,119
they won't talk about it we know people

1036
00:43:31,579 --> 00:43:29,460
that have not only lost their job not

1037
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,589
their jobs but they were not promoted to

1038
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:33,839
full professor right at universities

1039
00:43:37,789 --> 00:43:36,150
we've had David Jacobson we've had Leo

1040
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:37,799
sprinkle on and both of them have

1041
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,140
suffered setbacks in their careers as

1042
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:42,119
professors because they've been

1043
00:43:49,009 --> 00:43:44,670
investigating these phenomenon again

1044
00:43:51,019 --> 00:43:49,019
UFOs hybrids you know I love Leo and I

1045
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:51,029
didn't know David Jacobs had not been

1046
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:53,730
promoted is that right he pretty sure he

1047
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:55,410
also suffered some something

1048
00:44:00,620 --> 00:43:57,660
embarrassing in this regarding his

1049
00:44:04,249 --> 00:44:00,630
career and he's also been very very

1050
00:44:06,529 --> 00:44:04,259
vocal about saying that abductees have

1051
00:44:08,839 --> 00:44:06,539
no benefit to telling anybody about

1052
00:44:12,019 --> 00:44:08,849
their experiences there is no benefit at

1053
00:44:16,819 --> 00:44:12,029
all and he was very adamant about that

1054
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,829
yeah yeah and that is so so horrible do

1055
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:18,599
we haven't made room and I'm glad you're

1056
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:20,609
bringing this up Semyon that it's us

1057
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:24,390
it's up to us to change this reality you

1058
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,710
know if we're looking to the government

1059
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,660
for disclosure and we're looking to the

1060
00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:29,910
military to tell us what's real we're

1061
00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:32,839
looking in the wrong place aren't we

1062
00:44:38,029 --> 00:44:35,549
absolutely right we need to look to each

1063
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:38,039
other and the people who out there who

1064
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:39,450
know things like this who've had

1065
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:41,400
relatives from the military tell them

1066
00:44:46,759 --> 00:44:44,730
things parents or other relatives we

1067
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,769
have to insist that we find out the

1068
00:44:50,029 --> 00:44:48,660
truth about this subject we have to land

1069
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,039
says just like we did during the civil

1070
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:52,079
rights movement I'm sure you knew people

1071
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:53,400
who went down to the south during

1072
00:44:58,549 --> 00:44:55,529
Freedom Summer right I mean I had a

1073
00:45:00,289 --> 00:44:58,559
teacher who went down there and he he

1074
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:00,299
the people he went down with were killed

1075
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,249
during Freedom Summer in 1963

1076
00:45:05,989 --> 00:45:03,599
Mississippi you remember that right

1077
00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:05,999
there were civil rights workers there he

1078
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:08,369
was working with them he he just chose

1079
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:09,619
not to go with them in the car that day

1080
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:13,920
mm-hmm Wow he's lucky they did yep he

1081
00:45:19,789 --> 00:45:15,569
would have been another person in that

1082
00:45:22,099 --> 00:45:19,799
car who was killed by the KKK and anyway

1083
00:45:24,739 --> 00:45:22,109
it's a big issue civil rights the people

1084
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:24,749
who believed in separate water fountains

1085
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,430
in segregation you know like we saw in

1086
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:28,440
that movie hidden figures right wasn't

1087
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:29,850
that great about right

1088
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:33,900
movie top is real I mean I it was in my

1089
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:35,490
lifetime I wasn't you know it's the kid

1090
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:37,500
then but the idea of stuff water

1091
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,850
intolerable but there are people down

1092
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:45,900
there that defended that way of life we

1093
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:47,550
shouldn't judge them it's just what they

1094
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:49,320
believed in it's just not acceptable to

1095
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,150
those of us well the three of us here at

1096
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,420
least and most merrily matter of America

1097
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,800
I doubt very few people would want to go

1098
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:59,040
back to I can't think of anyone I did

1099
00:46:02,330 --> 00:46:00,660
talk to someone and what I was working

1100
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,340
for President Obama before he was

1101
00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:04,380
elected in 2008 I made a lot of phone

1102
00:46:09,830 --> 00:46:07,830
calls for President Obama during his

1103
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:09,840
campaign and I ended up calling

1104
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:12,150
thousands of people in my state I was

1105
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:17,580
the number one color I just made one or

1106
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:20,490
two a day for months and they just ended

1107
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:23,820
up getting up over a year but I did talk

1108
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:25,140
to someone I mean I don't want to put

1109
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:26,670
this down to anyone in the south is

1110
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:28,380
listening to us I called North Carolina

1111
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:29,730
I knew it that was my one night it was

1112
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:31,110
North Carolina calls and you weren't

1113
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:32,850
telling them to vote for Obama you're

1114
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:34,530
saying can you just vote we just were

1115
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:35,640
asking people to vote we weren't telling

1116
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:37,530
them who to vote for just register and

1117
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:39,000
voted that's all it was because the

1118
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:40,290
Obama team had figured out that there

1119
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:42,630
were so many unregistered voters that

1120
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:44,130
most of them would probably go down work

1121
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:45,450
right if they registered that's all what

1122
00:46:50,090 --> 00:46:48,060
so all those can you registered and and

1123
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:50,100
I said where I was calling from and this

1124
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:52,080
guy said I am not voting for Obama

1125
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:53,460
because of what Democrats did to

1126
00:47:00,590 --> 00:46:58,200
desegregate the schools in the 60s I was

1127
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:00,600
against desegregation and I will not

1128
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:02,310
vote for any Democrat at least this guy

1129
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:03,600
was telling me the truth that's how he

1130
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:06,090
really felt he wasn't covering it up you

1131
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:09,510
know so those people now I believe would

1132
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:12,690
be in small minority but there was a

1133
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:15,240
time when they weren't well it it's the

1134
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:17,550
same thing with this UFO issue there's

1135
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,900
going to come a time when it's

1136
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:20,880
considered unacceptable for this issue

1137
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:22,890
to remain hidden and for people who've

1138
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,010
had these experiences to feel ashamed

1139
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:28,500
afraid to tell their family neighbors

1140
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:29,850
about what they've experienced and

1141
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:31,830
especially afraid of government

1142
00:47:38,570 --> 00:47:36,720
retribution yeah happens to you nobody

1143
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,580
understands this let's just be honest I

1144
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:40,440
don't think anyone understands is not

1145
00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:43,410
not David Jacobs or sprinkle

1146
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:46,039
or or so many other authors out there

1147
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:48,390
they will it's the honest ones will say

1148
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:50,250
we don't really know what's going on

1149
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:51,690
there been so many great researchers

1150
00:47:56,359 --> 00:47:54,390
right and some of them are still doing

1151
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:56,369
it we don't know what this phenomena is

1152
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:58,470
I have my own views of it I don't know

1153
00:48:03,559 --> 00:47:59,220
if that's correct

1154
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,569
but at least we could honestly say it's

1155
00:48:07,789 --> 00:48:05,220
happening

1156
00:48:10,099 --> 00:48:07,799
we should describe our experiences

1157
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:10,109
people have had them I haven't really

1158
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,390
had that many abduction experiences the

1159
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:14,460
ones I've had weren't really scary I

1160
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,480
don't even know that maybe there's

1161
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:17,760
dreams but they seemed awfully real but

1162
00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:19,650
you shouldn't be afraid to talk about I

1163
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,270
wrote about it in opening minds well my

1164
00:48:25,099 --> 00:48:23,700
experience but you you should feel okay

1165
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:25,109
about talking about it shouldn't be like

1166
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:26,910
you know going back to the Dark Ages

1167
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,730
where were you know drowning people are

1168
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:31,319
burning at the stake first saying they

1169
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:34,220
had an experience like this because

1170
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:37,619
that's but then everybody shuts down and

1171
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,270
then we can't get to the truths and this

1172
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:41,280
is why as you mentioned we have to turn

1173
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:42,690
to each other we have to trust each

1174
00:48:48,019 --> 00:48:44,910
other to bring the information forward

1175
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:48,029
at least within our groups so that we

1176
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:49,980
can come to terms with yes this is

1177
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:52,770
happening of course UFOs are coming into

1178
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:55,470
our atmosphere and our military can't

1179
00:49:01,460 --> 00:48:58,859
control it that's how it is can we live

1180
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,470
with that can we deal with that I think

1181
00:49:06,019 --> 00:49:04,319
one of the major issues is fear people

1182
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:06,029
don't that do not know how to handle

1183
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,609
fear they either use it as a whip or

1184
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:10,680
they use it to hold and suppress

1185
00:49:18,529 --> 00:49:14,940
themselves literally go what day yeah

1186
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:18,539
depends you know it's true and I I was

1187
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,010
fortunate enough to go to the Citizen

1188
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:21,599
hearing on disclosure at the National

1189
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:25,170
Press Club in 2013 I went down there I

1190
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:28,500
was there for the whole five days there

1191
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:30,750
was some amazing testimony from highly

1192
00:49:34,279 --> 00:49:33,089
qualified pilots and people retired from

1193
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:34,289
the government the military about what

1194
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,510
they had seen pilots who had dog fights

1195
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:38,880
with UFOs right it wasn't just them that

1196
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:40,799
saw it the whole base saw it one guy in

1197
00:49:45,769 --> 00:49:44,130
Peru said 1800 people doing military

1198
00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:45,779
exercises saw this they saw it on radar

1199
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,549
and he was told to go up and shoot it

1200
00:49:51,319 --> 00:49:49,380
down and he couldn't because the thing

1201
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:51,329
absorbed all of his cannon rounds I mean

1202
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,710
these are big shells that are 30

1203
00:49:56,029 --> 00:49:54,240
millimeters wide each one's designed

1204
00:49:57,209 --> 00:49:56,039
today got a truck engine and the thing

1205
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:57,219
absorbed every

1206
00:50:00,449 --> 00:49:58,390
nothing happened to it he saw it going

1207
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:00,459
we don't have anything like that you

1208
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:02,380
know if we did we would we would have

1209
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:04,209
won every war we've been involved in

1210
00:50:08,459 --> 00:50:07,209
right within a few seconds yeah and if

1211
00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:08,469
you second if you have an Armour that

1212
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,259
just did the shell stone so highly

1213
00:50:14,910 --> 00:50:12,640
qualified people and I was really

1214
00:50:17,099 --> 00:50:14,920
shocked to find out that the press i sat

1215
00:50:19,229 --> 00:50:17,109
next to the press section none of them

1216
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:19,239
took it seriously the one that did from

1217
00:50:24,269 --> 00:50:20,890
the New York Times this photographer

1218
00:50:27,209 --> 00:50:24,279
told me he said this is the best stuff

1219
00:50:29,579 --> 00:50:27,219
I've ever seen I can't get them to send

1220
00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:29,589
anyone from New York to cover it York

1221
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,029
Times said that's the Washington Post

1222
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,920
reporters I gave them my card I said

1223
00:50:38,489 --> 00:50:37,119
I'll explain to you any the history of

1224
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:38,499
this you know if it's confusing they

1225
00:50:42,479 --> 00:50:40,390
just said well it's good so temple

1226
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:42,489
disorder I mean radar doesn't have

1227
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:43,930
schizo tipple that's already talking

1228
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,049
about yeah it was like child abuse it's

1229
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:49,119
not happening no you know this Bill

1230
00:50:53,489 --> 00:50:50,950
Cosby he's good I can't believe it was

1231
00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:53,499
denial you don't make progress with

1232
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:55,719
denial let's just talk about it again

1233
00:50:59,549 --> 00:50:57,369
these are obviously highly qualified

1234
00:51:01,019 --> 00:50:59,559
people they've no they've no you know

1235
00:51:02,219 --> 00:51:01,029
benefit to making any of this up they

1236
00:51:04,109 --> 00:51:02,229
don't ebooks or anything they're just

1237
00:51:07,469 --> 00:51:04,119
they flew to Washington to tell their

1238
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:07,479
story and they did under oath to retired

1239
00:51:12,479 --> 00:51:10,390
congressman and a senator c-span

1240
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:12,489
wouldn't even turn on the cameras oh

1241
00:51:18,779 --> 00:51:16,390
dear Lord the National Press Club is

1242
00:51:20,999 --> 00:51:18,789
filled with c-span equipment lights and

1243
00:51:22,949 --> 00:51:21,009
cameras you can see it they can remotely

1244
00:51:24,569 --> 00:51:22,959
turn it on for half an hour

1245
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:24,579
I've watched c-span many times I'm sure

1246
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:27,670
you have you just turn it on to see a

1247
00:51:32,910 --> 00:51:31,180
former Secretary of Defense from Canada

1248
00:51:36,059 --> 00:51:32,920
talking about it or so many other

1249
00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:36,069
qualified people pilots and so forth an

1250
00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:38,229
official from the FAA John Callahan

1251
00:51:42,779 --> 00:51:40,420
these are people that you entrusted your

1252
00:51:43,979 --> 00:51:42,789
lives to pilots and all of a sudden you

1253
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:43,989
don't want to hear what there have to

1254
00:51:49,799 --> 00:51:48,430
say yes it's our my own mental illness I

1255
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:49,809
think so we're gonna take another short

1256
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:53,170
break and we will be back we have lots

1257
00:51:57,779 --> 00:51:55,209
more discussed with Simeon Hine and

1258
00:51:59,729 --> 00:51:57,789
about his new book black swan goes an

1259
00:52:05,759 --> 00:51:59,739
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1260
00:52:09,809 --> 00:52:05,769
pick up a copy it is terrific I know

1261
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,819
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1262
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,240
get it from

1263
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,400
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1264
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:14,980
amazon.com alright everybody so stay

1265
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:16,690
tuned you're listening to Supernatural

1266
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:18,730
girls radio we'll be right back

1267
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:20,260
welcome back everyone this for Nashville

1268
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:22,600
girls radio I'm your host Patricia Baker

1269
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:26,380
and I am here with pique from Tucson my

1270
00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:28,510
co-host and our tremendous guest tonight

1271
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:31,480
we're enjoying him so much that's behind

1272
00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:35,410
and Black Swan ghosts very very

1273
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:39,880
important for good yes there it is and

1274
00:52:43,830 --> 00:52:42,430
we've got a quick question for you from

1275
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:43,840
the chat room from Carrie

1276
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:48,040
she says hi how do you do you find that

1277
00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:50,410
interest in UFOs cuts across all

1278
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:55,300
cultures it's a very interesting

1279
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:55,930
question

1280
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,880
it seems that all cultures have

1281
00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:00,720
experienced this phenomena in some way

1282
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:03,400
they just have different ways of talking

1283
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:05,380
about it and different degrees of

1284
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:08,560
acceptance ours is a kind of a culture

1285
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:10,390
that resists it there are other cultures

1286
00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:15,310
that are a lot more open about it like

1287
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:17,500
Peru they accept it there they talk

1288
00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:19,630
about it well right that's what we found

1289
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:21,640
out from the Citizen hearing is the

1290
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,010
representation from Latin America Peru

1291
00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:29,920
Uruguay Brazil mm-hmm maybe one other

1292
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:31,840
country well they're quite open about it

1293
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:34,510
there they actually have they go into

1294
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:36,450
the schools they tell the kids about it

1295
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:39,790
well I don't their spaceman around don't

1296
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:42,130
be afraid of them we don't understand

1297
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:44,680
you but we well yeah they they have

1298
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,570
conferences where the military shows

1299
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:48,640
their best gun camera footage to the

1300
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:52,840
public in Brazil today the Brazilian

1301
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:55,170
government launched Operation Plato

1302
00:53:59,760 --> 00:53:57,730
saucer operation saucer went in the

1303
00:54:01,980 --> 00:53:59,770
Amazon forests these little lights were

1304
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:01,990
moving around and people were killed by

1305
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:03,730
a couple times by these lights they

1306
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:06,670
would adapt them and they sent the

1307
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:08,710
military out and got pictures of it but

1308
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:10,690
they didn't understand it I don't know

1309
00:54:14,609 --> 00:54:12,100
if anyone really does maybe somebody

1310
00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:14,619
doesn't telling us but anyway they're

1311
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,940
open about it

1312
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:18,640
France released a lot of their documents

1313
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:21,310
recently there is disclosure it's kind

1314
00:54:25,339 --> 00:54:23,400
of happening all the time

1315
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,349
Britten's released a bunch of documents

1316
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:28,440
in the past year and in Russia they they

1317
00:54:31,279 --> 00:54:29,819
don't really kill it they accept it as

1318
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:31,289
real I mean if you listen to the Russian

1319
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:32,940
cosmonauts they talked about it quite

1320
00:54:39,529 --> 00:54:36,180
openly you've never heard our Apollo

1321
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:39,539
astronauts talk about it openly there's

1322
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:41,339
allegations they had to sign something

1323
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:48,450
right saying that they wouldn't talk

1324
00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:50,250
about it when they came back right I'm

1325
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:52,940
trying to obviously uh Edgar Mitchell

1326
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:55,890
mm-hmm Edgar Mitchell I got to talk to a

1327
00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:58,410
couple times in person said he I've

1328
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:00,270
talked to people who said he told them

1329
00:55:03,289 --> 00:55:02,010
and I don't want to be wrong about this

1330
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:03,299
but I've met people who said he

1331
00:55:05,859 --> 00:55:04,710
personally told him and he had signed

1332
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:05,869
something saying you wouldn't talk about

1333
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,069
ETS that's why he never talked about it

1334
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:10,140
he never said it said he knew people

1335
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:11,640
who'd seen it but he hadn't seen it says

1336
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,450
as far as he could go

1337
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:15,480
mm-hmm but anyway there's a lot of

1338
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:16,470
difference between how different

1339
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:19,470
societies react to it and we're a

1340
00:55:23,539 --> 00:55:21,450
society that basically denies it there

1341
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:23,549
are other societies that are more open

1342
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:27,180
to it for a variety of cultural and

1343
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,839
religious reasons perhaps but it is

1344
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,160
interesting in Latin America that they

1345
00:55:36,650 --> 00:55:34,799
don't deny it they invite the public to

1346
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,660
comment they have committees with

1347
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:38,640
military and civilians on it so you try

1348
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,390
to talk about it and we haven't got that

1349
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:44,520
far yet here I mean your Wiesel colonist

1350
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:47,339
are ghetto tipple disorder they you go

1351
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,579
to your DSM manual the DSM manual I

1352
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:52,319
considered homosexuality a mental

1353
00:55:56,779 --> 00:55:55,470
illness in 1973 we go to that I'm not

1354
00:55:58,519 --> 00:55:56,789
putting it down there people that

1355
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,529
benefit from treatment and so forth but

1356
00:56:02,539 --> 00:56:00,599
you could be wrong you could be wrong by

1357
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:02,549
judging something by giving it a label

1358
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,890
and it's far too easy just to label it

1359
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:07,079
as some sort of mental disorder how

1360
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:09,059
about when the whole plane sees

1361
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:10,859
something on the side of the window I'm

1362
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:19,049
the pilot I mean it's not and radar

1363
00:56:26,269 --> 00:56:20,730
doesn't have a hallucination as far as I

1364
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,279
know right it's not just it's just that

1365
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,680
it's not just that it's many other

1366
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:30,420
things that are going and I'm gonna

1367
00:56:35,029 --> 00:56:32,569
bring up another issue

1368
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:35,039
David Pleiades and I'm sure familiar

1369
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:37,230
with his work on missing for one

1370
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:40,770
one where he has done a great job of

1371
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,170
cataloging all of these missing people

1372
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:46,079
who have vanished into thin air there's

1373
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:48,750
been strange occurrences around all of

1374
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:50,310
these disappearances that he's

1375
00:56:57,319 --> 00:56:53,849
identified in his book series and yet

1376
00:56:59,359 --> 00:56:57,329
the National Park Rangers the people

1377
00:57:01,400 --> 00:56:59,369
associated with the government with this

1378
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:01,410
are all covering it up and saying

1379
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:03,230
there's nothing to see here move along

1380
00:57:09,620 --> 00:57:07,440
meanwhile people are at risk now nobody

1381
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:09,630
knows who's taking these people if it's

1382
00:57:13,339 --> 00:57:10,560
ETS

1383
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,349
if it's Bigfoot if it's traig on some

1384
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:15,599
other creature like a Bigfoot that we've

1385
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,500
heard about if it's the little people

1386
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:20,460
yeah that's right guys we've heard about

1387
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:23,970
them but anyways it's people have been

1388
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:27,030
taken people are in danger and it's not

1389
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:30,089
from this next not necessarily from this

1390
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:32,970
reality but yet with all this cover-up

1391
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:36,630
and all of this denial I'm feeling like

1392
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:39,060
this is liability on their part they

1393
00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:41,970
know there's danger there they refuse to

1394
00:57:46,099 --> 00:57:44,369
talk about it and people are being put

1395
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,109
in danger because they're not being told

1396
00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:48,839
the truth that there's something out

1397
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,150
there in the national parks there's also

1398
00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:53,700
something going on in urban areas where

1399
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,190
young men have been taken bodies are

1400
00:58:01,640 --> 00:57:59,520
found weeks later no cause of death it

1401
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,650
can't determine how these people died I

1402
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:04,160
mean these are all mysterious things and

1403
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:06,569
again we all want to go into denial

1404
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:10,010
about it but there's real danger here

1405
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:12,599
I'm afraid I can't really comment on the

1406
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,460
David pleiades work i people have

1407
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:16,200
mentioned it to me I'm not familiar with

1408
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:20,550
it so I can't say one way or another but

1409
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,819
I mean it is true that agencies don't

1410
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:26,160
like to talk about things that they

1411
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,109
don't understand or can't control I mean

1412
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:31,140
I was outside national teeth Grand Teton

1413
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,380
National Park and my dog and myself were

1414
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:36,720
chased by a moose we we got between a

1415
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:38,220
mother moose and the babies without

1416
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,680
knowing it in a campground in a boy

1417
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:42,960
whether it was a deserted camera we're

1418
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:44,760
just having lunch and we're just walking

1419
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:46,230
you're taking a walk after lunch and

1420
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:47,460
there was the momma moose in the bait we

1421
00:58:50,299 --> 00:58:48,540
were in between them how do you say

1422
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,309
you're so

1423
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:52,380
you got hey hi my dog I chased around

1424
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,609
I'm not trying to make light of what

1425
00:58:57,380 --> 00:58:55,680
you're saying but we got out of there

1426
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,390
without being killed by the moose

1427
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:59,160
mamamoo she was awfully sound they don't

1428
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:00,660
like dogs near their babies

1429
00:59:05,059 --> 00:59:03,150
and I went down and told the ranger

1430
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:05,069
station I said you should have a sign

1431
00:59:10,219 --> 00:59:07,609
that their moose in the campground and

1432
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,229
their reaction was this is National

1433
00:59:15,859 --> 00:59:12,660
Forest Service dogs kill moose all the

1434
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:15,869
time I'll get over it I vote look you're

1435
00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:17,910
in a campground where you pay to stay

1436
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,109
overnight that type of thing you should

1437
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:20,640
put up a sign that there's moose been

1438
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:22,529
around to just take precaution be

1439
00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:24,900
cautious sir and someone pointed out to

1440
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,430
me they'd be liable if they did that

1441
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:27,900
just what you said you used that word

1442
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:30,119
liability and that may be what it is is

1443
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:31,619
if they admit there's a danger then

1444
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:33,059
there you know they have to close the

1445
00:59:38,539 --> 00:59:35,339
campground so they'd rather put the risk

1446
00:59:40,489 --> 00:59:38,549
on you now presumably a government

1447
00:59:42,279 --> 00:59:40,499
agency that you pay tax dollars to to

1448
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:42,289
provide you with parks and campgrounds

1449
00:59:47,479 --> 00:59:44,579
should take the responsibility to make

1450
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:47,489
them safe right anything easier to

1451
00:59:52,219 --> 00:59:50,249
reverse the risk and put the risk lower

1452
00:59:56,179 --> 00:59:52,229
down and say it's your fault you had a

1453
00:59:58,339 --> 00:59:56,189
dog in moose season you know this we see

1454
01:00:00,949 --> 00:59:58,349
this too much yeah won't take their

1455
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:00,959
response to date winer but brief it's

1456
01:00:06,829 --> 01:00:05,099
your it's your fault ridiculous I don't

1457
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,839
comment on their missing people cases I

1458
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:09,599
mean I just don't know I do recommend

1459
01:00:13,489 --> 01:00:10,890
the books to you though I think you'd

1460
01:00:15,229 --> 01:00:13,499
find the fascinating given your they

1461
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:15,239
might get creeped out by them I spend a

1462
01:00:24,979 --> 01:00:22,319
lot of time but it's a well thought out

1463
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:24,989
series and it is well documented it's

1464
01:00:29,929 --> 01:00:27,900
worth the read so again you know what

1465
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:29,939
we're stuck with is people being

1466
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:33,660
tormented by weather its agencies

1467
01:00:38,929 --> 01:00:36,420
federal agents or just friends and

1468
01:00:42,169 --> 01:00:38,939
family who don't want to believe their

1469
01:00:44,749 --> 01:00:42,179
experience is real and so we have to

1470
01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:44,759
work to change that how can we change it

1471
01:00:52,459 --> 01:00:47,279
how can we as a society begin to work

1472
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:52,469
towards positive change with us we just

1473
01:00:58,249 --> 01:00:55,079
have to decide that it's not acceptable

1474
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:58,259
to ridicule and shame people who've had

1475
01:01:01,579 --> 01:01:00,059
this experience we have to make it a

1476
01:01:03,490 --> 01:01:01,589
safe environment for them to come out

1477
01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:03,500
and share their stories

1478
01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:05,720
the people that I mentioned in Black

1479
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,220
Swan ghosts you know so many of these

1480
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:09,680
people some of them had never talked to

1481
01:01:12,730 --> 01:01:11,330
anyone else about this before can you

1482
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:12,740
imagine and there's some excellent

1483
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:16,310
stories in there yes some of those

1484
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:17,720
people there was one guy in the England

1485
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:20,390
that encountered a disc that landed when

1486
01:01:25,089 --> 01:01:22,310
he was walking across the Downs at night

1487
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:25,099
and the friend panicked I mean someone

1488
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:27,950
got out of the flying disc someone in a

1489
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:31,490
skin-tight suit or something door opens

1490
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:34,070
this being walked towards him it you

1491
01:01:38,859 --> 01:01:36,020
know this well Peter who I mentioned in

1492
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,869
there wanting to meet this spaceman as

1493
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:40,640
he called him in mmm-hmm his friend

1494
01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:43,849
panic they fill about forms at the

1495
01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:45,320
police station see back then there were

1496
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:47,000
forms in the 70s it was okay to have a

1497
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:48,890
UFO sighting see we don't have anything

1498
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:50,180
like that it should be okay to have a

1499
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:52,190
sighting there should be a place where

1500
01:01:58,900 --> 01:01:55,369
you can go to report this not project

1501
01:02:00,099 --> 01:01:58,910
Bluebook well yeah was an effort just I

1502
01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:00,109
mean I know people that worked in

1503
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:01,369
project look what got talked to people

1504
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:02,990
who worked it it was a way to me just

1505
01:02:06,339 --> 01:02:04,700
make the public feel like someone was

1506
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:06,349
doing something about this right in

1507
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:12,410
thank season early 70s but um there's no

1508
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,210
place for people to really go and in

1509
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:16,880
this book on Peter so he he encountered

1510
01:02:21,310 --> 01:02:19,640
he gave a report to a police station he

1511
01:02:22,930 --> 01:02:21,320
said there was a Bobby's drinking his

1512
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:22,940
tea at when I am they'd seen this thing

1513
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:24,740
land and then someone got out and then

1514
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:26,930
it went back in and it took off but then

1515
01:02:32,050 --> 01:02:29,750
he gets these strange phone calls the

1516
01:02:34,329 --> 01:02:32,060
the form was used to track him at the

1517
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:34,339
opposite it wasn't it wasn't designed to

1518
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,730
help him share what he knew it was

1519
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:39,830
designed for some agency we don't even

1520
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:41,300
know what this agency was it was like

1521
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:43,970
some UN agency because he said when he

1522
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,710
went to this so-called UFO meeting all

1523
01:02:48,849 --> 01:02:47,119
they were to do was talk about his case

1524
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:48,859
and that's all they talked about for

1525
01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:50,510
three hours and at the end of it they

1526
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:52,550
said what you saw was a weather balloon

1527
01:02:59,050 --> 01:02:55,400
can we keep your drawings can we keep

1528
01:03:01,060 --> 01:02:59,060
your drawings and he said every ethnic

1529
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:01,070
group was in a uniform was in that room

1530
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:04,150
about 30 men you know from Asia Africa

1531
01:03:10,359 --> 01:03:06,500
Europe United States it was like this

1532
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:10,369
multilateral group in the 70s they

1533
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:11,720
probably are trying to find out what's

1534
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,970
going on we have to get this above

1535
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:16,400
ground and we have to insist that our

1536
01:03:18,310 --> 01:03:17,000
governments

1537
01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:18,320
spending money on disinformation

1538
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:20,750
campaigns right we know they did this

1539
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:22,940
because of Steven Greer's recent movie

1540
01:03:26,350 --> 01:03:24,860
excellent movie unacknowledged about

1541
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,360
hundred dollar special access program

1542
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:28,640
and he has in there a witness we haven't

1543
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:30,470
heard from before I hadn't heard from

1544
01:03:34,660 --> 01:03:32,650
before Richard Doty who worked in

1545
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:34,670
counterintelligence in the Air Force and

1546
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:38,150
he said they paid journalists to make up

1547
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:40,190
stories about this to dull the public

1548
01:03:47,350 --> 01:03:45,470
interest yes um to arrest witnesses - he

1549
01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:47,360
said they even dressed up in alien suits

1550
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:49,040
and scared people who thought they have

1551
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:50,240
seen something if they wanted to scare

1552
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:54,650
them if they do close yeah what we're

1553
01:04:03,610 --> 01:03:59,920
paying for this I mean he was bullying

1554
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:03,620
it is I mean maybe we don't know what

1555
01:04:06,850 --> 01:04:05,330
these witnesses had seen and maybe it

1556
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:06,860
was some sort of you know classified

1557
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:09,110
program but the bottom line is we have

1558
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:11,150
to insist that we stop spending money on

1559
01:04:18,580 --> 01:04:15,110
disinformation and get the truth out

1560
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:18,590
about this instead of the government

1561
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:21,920
deliberately confusing the issue I know

1562
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:24,650
that they do this because there was a

1563
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:26,660
woman on our crop circle tour I have

1564
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:28,610
been giving crop circle tours for many

1565
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:30,380
years I used to go on one with Ron

1566
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:31,670
Russell and he turned the Torah to me

1567
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:33,170
and we done we didn't do it this year

1568
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:35,750
but we've done that many years and this

1569
01:04:39,550 --> 01:04:37,250
woman and she's deceased now so she I

1570
01:04:42,910 --> 01:04:39,560
can tell you the truth she worked in the

1571
01:04:46,810 --> 01:04:42,920
CIA media department oh okay

1572
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:46,820
she had a rolodex of 400 journalists she

1573
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:50,390
could send stories to Wow and I said

1574
01:04:55,810 --> 01:04:53,810
Diane I mean you modified their stories

1575
01:04:57,130 --> 01:04:55,820
and you sent it back to them or did you

1576
01:05:01,090 --> 01:04:57,140
make it up and they would run it she

1577
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:01,100
goes either way I said a what they would

1578
01:05:05,350 --> 01:05:03,170
just run a false story because you said

1579
01:05:10,030 --> 01:05:05,360
you said of course she didn't blink an

1580
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:10,040
eyelid of course well excuse me what do

1581
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:12,170
you think happens to a democracy if the

1582
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:13,910
news sources are polluted with

1583
01:05:19,090 --> 01:05:16,010
disinformation and lies deliberate lies

1584
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,100
I can understand doing that for a very

1585
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:21,920
brief time in a very critical military

1586
01:05:29,799 --> 01:05:24,770
situation my dad landed at d-day okay on

1587
01:05:33,309 --> 01:05:29,809
Omaha Beach you know in 1944 in June 6th

1588
01:05:34,959 --> 01:05:33,319
I can understand covering things up for

1589
01:05:36,819 --> 01:05:34,969
that period so the Nazis didn't know

1590
01:05:38,349 --> 01:05:36,829
when we were gonna land because it would

1591
01:05:41,289 --> 01:05:38,359
it would have been a cat at the whole

1592
01:05:43,989 --> 01:05:41,299
point you need that secret sure you get

1593
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:43,999
it for very limited periods of time for

1594
01:05:48,699 --> 01:05:46,729
specific operations you can't let people

1595
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:48,709
know what's going on if the government

1596
01:05:51,999 --> 01:05:50,180
decides it's in our interest for

1597
01:05:54,579 --> 01:05:52,009
Nationals I mean they know things we

1598
01:05:57,969 --> 01:05:54,589
okay get that but not year after year

1599
01:05:59,289 --> 01:05:57,979
after year with this topic and we know

1600
01:06:00,729 --> 01:05:59,299
that the government's been very

1601
01:06:04,900 --> 01:06:00,739
uncomfortable with this topic internal

1602
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:04,910
Air Force documents show that the

1603
01:06:10,359 --> 01:06:08,390
government tried to find out since the

1604
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:10,369
40s what's going on about this I'm

1605
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:12,049
reading a book about this right now I'll

1606
01:06:15,939 --> 01:06:14,209
just mention it not my book just this

1607
01:06:18,819 --> 01:06:15,949
book called it never happened by a guy

1608
01:06:21,699 --> 01:06:18,829
that served as a missile launch control

1609
01:06:24,249 --> 01:06:21,709
officer David Jin Delhi mmm-hmm who was

1610
01:06:25,779 --> 01:06:24,259
at the Citizen hearing by the way that's

1611
01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:25,789
how I knew about him he was one of the

1612
01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:27,789
launch control officers who were there

1613
01:06:34,509 --> 01:06:31,880
who talked about how these UFOs would

1614
01:06:37,179 --> 01:06:34,519
come over the launch control facilities

1615
01:06:39,249 --> 01:06:37,189
and all their missiles would go down all

1616
01:06:41,739 --> 01:06:39,259
of us which was unheard of in some cases

1617
01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:41,749
the launch sequences were initiated has

1618
01:06:45,579 --> 01:06:43,880
also happened in the USSR that there was

1619
01:06:47,979 --> 01:06:45,589
a story and black swan ghosts where I

1620
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:47,989
talk about a former NASA astrobiologist

1621
01:06:53,739 --> 01:06:51,109
who knew the head of the equivalent of

1622
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:53,749
our Nuclear Regulatory Agency in Russia

1623
01:06:56,949 --> 01:06:55,609
they handle everything nuclear including

1624
01:06:59,289 --> 01:06:56,959
thermonuclear missiles we talked about a

1625
01:07:02,640 --> 01:06:59,299
disc coming over the launch facility in

1626
01:07:04,809 --> 01:07:02,650
Ukraine and the missiles started to

1627
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,819
undergo their launch initiation sequence

1628
01:07:09,789 --> 01:07:06,559
counting down to 30 seconds or something

1629
01:07:11,949 --> 01:07:09,799
ridiculous missiles pointed at us well

1630
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:11,959
this in Dolly's book it never happened

1631
01:07:15,279 --> 01:07:13,369
talks about his case where he was told

1632
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:15,289
not to talk about you know as far as

1633
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:16,910
they're concerned this never happened he

1634
01:07:21,429 --> 01:07:19,729
has to sign something that whatever he

1635
01:07:24,429 --> 01:07:21,439
saw he won't talk about not even to the

1636
01:07:25,299 --> 01:07:24,439
repair crew that comes later but you

1637
01:07:26,859 --> 01:07:25,309
can't tell them what happened you've

1638
01:07:28,269 --> 01:07:26,869
been told not to talk about not to your

1639
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:28,279
wife nobody he didn't talk about it for

1640
01:07:34,209 --> 01:07:31,130
30 years it cuts off communication that

1641
01:07:35,949 --> 01:07:34,219
we need to be having for I can't see the

1642
01:07:37,209 --> 01:07:35,959
reason well anyway the reason I like

1643
01:07:38,589 --> 01:07:37,219
Shindell these books in other books like

1644
01:07:40,959 --> 01:07:38,599
this that have been written about that

1645
01:07:42,729 --> 01:07:40,969
particular issue is we can see the

1646
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:42,739
internal Air Force documents going back

1647
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,460
to the fort

1648
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:45,680
they were riding back and forth to each

1649
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:47,330
other from wright-patterson to the

1650
01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:49,400
Pentagon is there any government program

1651
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:51,560
that explains these objects we know this

1652
01:07:55,570 --> 01:07:53,960
is real this is not schizo tip all

1653
01:07:59,260 --> 01:07:55,580
mental disorders it's not in the

1654
01:08:01,240 --> 01:07:59,270
document and their repeated response to

1655
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:01,250
God from the Pentagon is there is no

1656
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,380
known US government program or any

1657
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:04,880
program we know about that explains

1658
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:06,530
these objects because the

1659
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:08,510
wright-patterson guys were the technical

1660
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:11,450
Intelligence Division there their job is

1661
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:12,770
to reverse-engineer you know other

1662
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:14,210
countries planes and so forth that

1663
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:15,290
they're trying to figure out if they're

1664
01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:17,510
wasting their time investigating this is

1665
01:08:20,230 --> 01:08:18,920
some sort of secret program and they

1666
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:20,240
continually got the response because

1667
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:21,710
these documents are now Declassified

1668
01:08:25,780 --> 01:08:23,630
this is not a US government program any

1669
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:25,790
this is nothing we know about we promise

1670
01:08:30,580 --> 01:08:28,130
you and it's nothing that we think the

1671
01:08:32,110 --> 01:08:30,590
Russians have either the USSR they were

1672
01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:32,120
not at that stage of having anything

1673
01:08:35,980 --> 01:08:33,680
like that they were reverse engineering

1674
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:35,990
b-29s at the time then it's a totally

1675
01:08:40,330 --> 01:08:38,750
different level of technology so so we

1676
01:08:43,270 --> 01:08:40,340
know from the internal documents they've

1677
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:43,280
never been comfortable with this we know

1678
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:46,250
it's real there's no doubt yes we know

1679
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:49,790
real UFOs are as real as Paul Hellyer

1680
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,410
said you know the former minister of

1681
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:53,120
defense under Trudeau from Canada who

1682
01:08:56,710 --> 01:08:55,010
was a disciplinary - as he said many

1683
01:08:58,330 --> 01:08:56,720
times he was told by a Air Force

1684
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,340
official in the Pentagon there is real

1685
01:09:02,590 --> 01:09:01,040
as planes that fly overhead but nobody

1686
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:02,600
wants to talk about it we just have to

1687
01:09:05,380 --> 01:09:03,770
go be I don't think the government's

1688
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:05,390
going to be able to disclose because

1689
01:09:10,060 --> 01:09:07,130
they I don't think they necessarily

1690
01:09:11,290 --> 01:09:10,070
understand what it is or they're afraid

1691
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:11,300
it would hurt their reelection or

1692
01:09:18,730 --> 01:09:17,150
whatever mo demands they have right now

1693
01:09:19,900 --> 01:09:18,740
by having this interview we're doing it

1694
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:19,910
right now and everyone's to listen we're

1695
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:21,590
having disclosures as many disclosures

1696
01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:23,750
it'll happen many many times let's just

1697
01:09:26,980 --> 01:09:24,950
be honest people are having these

1698
01:09:30,610 --> 01:09:26,990
experiences at all levels in our society

1699
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:30,620
that's right be afraid to talk about

1700
01:09:35,020 --> 01:09:33,380
right and the government could help is

1701
01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:35,030
the way they did in civil rights right

1702
01:09:40,570 --> 01:09:37,880
they sent out troops to support school

1703
01:09:42,730 --> 01:09:40,580
desegregation right national guards they

1704
01:09:44,380 --> 01:09:42,740
don't do that with this the same way but

1705
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:44,390
they could support it in some way say

1706
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:46,730
look we don't understand it but it's

1707
01:09:52,150 --> 01:09:50,090
real so they could provide a positive

1708
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:52,160
tone the way other governments have done

1709
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:53,570
in Latin America they could do what

1710
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:56,420
Latimer you know I have to tell you too

1711
01:09:59,169 --> 01:09:57,199
that some

1712
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,179
he asked the latin-american contingent

1713
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:01,280
at the Citizen hearing why don't you

1714
01:10:05,469 --> 01:10:03,110
guys just come forward and say it's real

1715
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:05,479
see the world they said we're afraid of

1716
01:10:13,899 --> 01:10:11,770
we want you to do it and we'll talk

1717
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:13,909
about it more openly beyond our society

1718
01:10:20,759 --> 01:10:17,030
China you know they they say it's real -

1719
01:10:22,750 --> 01:10:20,769
it just nobody wants to piss off the US

1720
01:10:26,109 --> 01:10:22,760
great things you go and they're not

1721
01:10:28,989 --> 01:10:26,119
gonna care I think that's that's one

1722
01:10:31,779 --> 01:10:28,999
possibility nobody cares eventually like

1723
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,789
Donald Trump or not he's a big enough

1724
01:10:35,379 --> 01:10:33,199
bull in the china shop he could upset

1725
01:10:36,910 --> 01:10:35,389
this issue and he might not care and he

1726
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:36,920
might do something very positive for us

1727
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:40,969
I still have hope say I don't care what

1728
01:10:44,129 --> 01:10:42,050
you think you have to tell me the truth

1729
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:44,139
on the President itíd States right yeah

1730
01:10:48,219 --> 01:10:46,610
and he might go on script like he does

1731
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:48,229
and say what he really thinks and

1732
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:49,820
because none of the other presidents we

1733
01:10:52,839 --> 01:10:51,409
know the Clintons were interested in

1734
01:10:54,009 --> 01:10:52,849
this it's obvious there's enough

1735
01:10:55,989 --> 01:10:54,019
documents going back to Laurance

1736
01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:55,999
Rockefeller Project starlight you guys

1737
01:10:59,439 --> 01:10:58,219
know about this oh yeah they wanted to

1738
01:11:01,600 --> 01:10:59,449
do it but couldn't

1739
01:11:03,580 --> 01:11:01,610
well the Clintons were not briefed the

1740
01:11:05,649 --> 01:11:03,590
same way as other presidents either they

1741
01:11:07,719 --> 01:11:05,659
weren't as what they were trusted but

1742
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:07,729
who knows like you said maybe we'll hear

1743
01:11:10,899 --> 01:11:09,530
about it from a tweet from Trump

1744
01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:10,909
wouldn't that be cool that's right

1745
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:15,550
here's the question yeah he might um

1746
01:11:20,290 --> 01:11:18,650
here's a question for you I mean one of

1747
01:11:22,209 --> 01:11:20,300
the things that has come up over and

1748
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:22,219
over again in interviews that we've done

1749
01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:24,170
on the subject is that the government

1750
01:11:30,699 --> 01:11:27,739
may have probably made a deal with

1751
01:11:33,459 --> 01:11:30,709
certain alien races allowing them to

1752
01:11:35,739 --> 01:11:33,469
abduct a certain amount of people which

1753
01:11:37,689 --> 01:11:35,749
they then said got very much out of hand

1754
01:11:40,299 --> 01:11:37,699
and they had no way to control it so

1755
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:40,309
these extraterrestrial races were just

1756
01:11:44,469 --> 01:11:42,530
taking people whenever they felt like it

1757
01:11:49,149 --> 01:11:44,479
and many more than what they agreed to

1758
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:49,159
do so if that is true I can see where

1759
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:50,840
our government wouldn't want people to

1760
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:52,550
know about that that they sold us out

1761
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:56,449
right those are the types of stories we

1762
01:11:59,229 --> 01:11:57,679
hear and we don't have enough

1763
01:12:01,000 --> 01:11:59,239
information if it's true or not that's

1764
01:12:02,890 --> 01:12:01,010
why we need to open this up and talk

1765
01:12:05,859 --> 01:12:02,900
about it is it true or not we've heard

1766
01:12:07,719 --> 01:12:05,869
this I don't know I haven't seen the

1767
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:07,729
evidence to convince me that they have

1768
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:10,760
or they have it it's in the great

1769
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:12,710
what do they know about this subject you

1770
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:15,230
know that's what we need to find out I

1771
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:18,340
mean who in the government studies this

1772
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:20,900
does no one study this like we're told

1773
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:23,930
you know Obama said that there's nothing

1774
01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:26,900
happened at Roswell member he was on one

1775
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:29,900
of the late-night TV show yes yes who

1776
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:31,910
was it

1777
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:34,940
well whatever Late Night with so-and-so

1778
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:37,610
hey I asked him and he said well you

1779
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:39,050
know he made fun of it they always make

1780
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:40,760
em you did they always make fun I hate

1781
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:43,970
that and Hillary Clinton didn't she

1782
01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:45,680
actually when she was on the show I'm

1783
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:47,750
sure you know which I just I know

1784
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:49,250
exactly what you're talking about

1785
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:51,650
she actually said that that these things

1786
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:53,150
are real she said they're now called

1787
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:55,850
unidentified aerial phenomena right she

1788
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:59,360
had been prepped by her advisor you know

1789
01:13:03,550 --> 01:13:02,480
to talk about this and they never went

1790
01:13:05,230 --> 01:13:03,560
back to her point she was actually

1791
01:13:09,610 --> 01:13:05,240
bringing it up and they should have

1792
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:09,620
pursued it I mean it's going to take

1793
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:12,170
courage right yes now there's one thing

1794
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:14,570
we have in abundance as Americans we

1795
01:13:19,570 --> 01:13:15,920
have courage I would like to believe

1796
01:13:22,180 --> 01:13:19,580
that you know no I think of someone like

1797
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:22,190
my dad who led at a d-day facing German

1798
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:24,260
machine guns he was a refugee from Nazi

1799
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:26,330
Germany he couldn't wait to join the US

1800
01:13:31,090 --> 01:13:29,150
Army when he was 18 and go back and kick

1801
01:13:32,230 --> 01:13:31,100
some butt right he's past I mean Nick I

1802
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,240
keep that of his own Society by the

1803
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,120
Nazis well that's real courage is you

1804
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:36,560
step out and you know you could die but

1805
01:13:39,730 --> 01:13:38,330
you do it's the right thing to do and we

1806
01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:39,740
need to have that type of courage it's

1807
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:41,900
not that extreme it's not that situation

1808
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:44,030
again but you have to have the courage

1809
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:46,490
to stand up and say I don't care what

1810
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:49,010
the lamestream media are gonna say I

1811
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:50,690
don't care what they're gonna say to me

1812
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:53,690
and what they're gonna label me as I'm

1813
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:55,780
gonna tell the truth about what I saw

1814
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:58,010
like the people who came forward to me

1815
01:14:01,840 --> 01:13:59,090
in Black Swan ghosts

1816
01:14:04,420 --> 01:14:01,850
I so appreciate those witnesses because

1817
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:04,430
they had the guts to sit with me for an

1818
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,890
hour - and let me videotape them tell me

1819
01:14:11,710 --> 01:14:08,960
their stories and give me permission to

1820
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:11,720
put them in a book some of them were

1821
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:14,570
still afraid I took a year to get for me

1822
01:14:18,580 --> 01:14:16,810
to put those stories in the book Wow

1823
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:18,590
some of those stories have never been

1824
01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:22,210
told before I liked it the Jets that got

1825
01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:24,020
well ahead

1826
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:25,400
encounter with the UFO over Lake

1827
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:28,190
Michigan in the 60s I mean this guy was

1828
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:29,450
there when he heard his dad talking

1829
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,450
about it on the phone from Finland one

1830
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:33,920
of the Air Force bases that were there

1831
01:14:39,130 --> 01:14:37,970
and I mean he wasn't sure he should talk

1832
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:39,140
about this because it never been

1833
01:14:41,980 --> 01:14:40,490
publicly disclosed we don't know what

1834
01:14:44,020 --> 01:14:41,990
the windows were told but the pilots

1835
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:44,030
disappeared the planes are round but the

1836
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:46,310
pilots were never private pilot of both

1837
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:47,810
their engines simultaneously when they

1838
01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:52,910
attempted to pursue this object no yeah

1839
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:55,100
and we don't we don't really allow this

1840
01:14:59,500 --> 01:14:57,530
to come out and unfortunately we've run

1841
01:15:01,960 --> 01:14:59,510
out of time and you've been such a

1842
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:01,970
wonderful guest Simeon my god this is it

1843
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:06,980
I thought we were but everybody look you

1844
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:15,230
gotta get it is terrific okay and you

1845
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:17,710
want to go to get my other bud right oh

1846
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:23,570
I can sign a copy Institutes on if you

1847
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:27,170
go to the supernatural girls post on my

1848
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:28,940
blog new crystal mind you'll see a link

1849
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,300
for it you'll come back yeah let's do it

1850
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:37,760
again we just started with this topic I

1851
01:15:41,730 --> 01:15:39,710
know there's so much to discuss with you

1852
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:41,740
you're a wonderful wonderful

1853
01:15:46,270 --> 01:15:43,790
representative of the paranormal

1854
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:46,280
community and believe me we appreciate

1855
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:47,870
your book and what you're trying to do

1856
01:15:52,510 --> 01:15:50,600
and we stand behind you so if anybody

1857
01:15:58,110 --> 01:15:52,520
wants to contact you how can they do it

1858
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,120
Oh easy just go to simeon hein calm and

1859
01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:01,760
click contact and all right maybe you

1860
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,040
have a story to tell you for your next

1861
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:06,360
book I'd be happy to

1862
01:16:10,919 --> 01:16:09,369
that would be great okay well look

1863
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:10,929
everybody next week we're back with the

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cauldron we've got live witchcraft going

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on

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that's next week and until then we'll

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see you on the blue Highway good night